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early. that was a challenge. >> that is exactly right. we put michelle obama out there in a big way. she really motivated the base. people saying, wake us up on the guy has a chance to meet us. >> what were you doing on debate nights? there were these national conversations on politics. on one side, what were you guys trying to do? >> we are trying to enter into the commentary. they wanted to see how the message was unfolding. there are things that we kept good notes on. >> you have been quoted on this before, the issue of immigration and going after rick perry. you still stand by -- overreacting to perry? >> stuart says you have to go out and take it. at that moment in time during the american assess, rick -- process, rick perry was a very formidable opponent. we were running a campaign used on jobs and the economy. this is the governor of a state. people would say -- we knew he was formidable. we began the debate process. we did some in the debate. >> very aggressive early. >> early on. and when he had written about on security. >> i think he used the phrase "ponzi scheme." >> he did.
that city. and everybody is moving. everybody is leaving. i call that the obama dividend because he's creating jobs in the moving industry, as people flee and it's also part of michelle's obesity fight plan because they're running from creditors. >> that was creative. >> i thought he said the auto industry. >> the auto industry left detroit and went south. >> it's all going to be fine. >> it is going to be fine. >> no problem. >> and new york city and washington, d.c. in that list, i can't imagine -- >> dc is not in the top ten. , you got flint, michigan, chicago, though, is number 4. >> chicago, that's what i was thinking. >> chicago has a lot of defenders. a lot of people who live there absolutely love it. but for others, it's a place of high crime and also kimberly, one of the things they talked about in this survey is commuting time. >> yeah! >> that was repeated over and over again. how long it takes to you get to and from work. >> i think forbes is on to something because that is part of your enjoyment, how long does it take to you get to work? what's the weather like and the
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